Ganguly Vs Chappel - Vote Now

[Pramod]

Hi all forum members,

The hot topic of Indian Cricket is : The rift between Ganguly and Chappel. So whom do you support our Great Indian Captain Ganguly or The Coach with a different approach - Chappel. Please vote now.

[GoldFinger]

voted.
Chappel ...Chappel ... all the way

[Pramod]

Hi all,

Cricket controversy and no takers in this forum...

Really no one here in this forum is affected by cricket fever..

Anyhow everything ended well for team india.. both Ganguly & Chappel Compromised ..

[baljeet2n]

Yes, BCCI gave clean chit to ganguly who came well prepared for the meeting................all the proofs of..he never missed training...he never hyped fake injuries.........etc etc

But I think even after the compromise their relationship wont be gud.Hope it doesnt affect the team's performance


I also have the transcript of Chappel's mail to BCCI . I'll post it in my next post! Its pretty long...........you'll need paitence to read it

[baljeet2n]

Yes, BCCI gave clean chit to ganguly who came well prepared for the meeting................all the proofs of..he never missed training...he never hyped fake injuries.........etc etc

But I think even after the compromise their relationship wont be gud.Hope it doesnt affect the team's performance


I also have the transcript of Chappel's mail to BCCI . I'll post it in my next post! Its pretty long...........so give it a try!

[Navin]

Dear Pramod,

Giving my views on the chappel-ganguly duel. I think the coach should have the last word as far as the style and selection of the team is concerned. Coach has an authority over the captain. Anycase, ganguly is way past his prime. I don't think that a compromise between the two is good for the team. Simply because the compromise isn't a real solution. Both of them will be looking to get back at each other at a later date. It would have been better if ganguly had gone and Dravid made the captain. Just my personal opinion. Other people have the right to differ. :)

Cheers!

[baljeet2n]

Chappell's e-mail to the BCCI chief

September 25, 2005 12:12 IST

Full text of India cricket team coach Greg Chappell's e-mail to Board of Control for Cricket in India president Ranbir Singh Mahendra, courtesy DNA, India TV

Due to comments made by Mr Sourav Ganguly during the press conference following his innings in the recently completed Test match in Bulawayo and the subsequent media speculation I would like to make my position clear on two points.

1. At no stage did I ask Mr Ganguly to step down from the captaincy of the Indian team and;

2. At no stage have I threatened to resign my position as Indian team coach.

Mr Ganguly came to me following the recently completed tri-series of one-day matches here in Zimbabwe and asked me to tell him honestly where he stood as a player in my view. I told him that I thought he was struggling as a player and that it was affecting his ability to lead the team effectively and that the pressure of captaincy was affecting his ability to play to his potential. I also told him that his state of mind was fragile and it showed in the way that he made decisions on and off the field in relation to the team, especially team selection. A number of times during the tri-series the tour selectors had chosen a team and announced it to the group only for Sourav to change his mind on the morning of the game and want to change the team.

On at least one occasion he did change the team and on the morning of the final I had to talk him out of making another last-minute change that I believe would have destroyed team morale and damaged the mental state of the individuals concerned. I also told Sourav that his nervous state was affecting the team in other ways as he was prone to panic during pressure situations in games and that his nervous demeanour was putting undue pressure on the rest of the team. His nervous pacing of the rooms during our batting in the final plus his desire to change the batting order during our innings in the final had also contributed to nervousness in the players waiting to go in to bat. His reluctance to bat first in games I suggested was also giving wrong signals to the team and the opposition and his nervousness at the crease facing bowlers like Shane Bond from NZ was also affecting morale in the dressing room.

On the basis of this and other observations and comments from players in the squad about the unsettling effect Sourav was having on the group I suggested to Sourav that he should consider stepping down from the captaincy at the end of the tour in the interests of the team and in his own best interests if he wanted to prolong his playing career. I told him of my own experiences toward the end of my career and cited other players such as Border, Taylor and Steve Waugh, all of whom struggled with batting form toward the end of their tenure as Australian captain.

We discussed other issues in relation to captaincy and the time and effort it took that was eating into his mental reserves and making it difficult to prepare properly for batting in games. He commented that he had enjoyed being free of those responsibilities in the time that he was in Sri Lanka following his ban from international cricket and that he would consider my suggestion.

I also raised the matter of selection for the first Test with Sourav and asked him where he thought he should bat. He said 'number 5'. I told him that he might like to consider opening in the Test as the middle order was going to be a tight battle with Kaif and Yuvraj demanding selection. Sourav asked me if I was serious. I said it was something to be considered, but it had to be his decision.

The following day Sourav batted in the match against Zimbabwe 'A' team in the game in Mutare. I am not sure of the exact timing of events because I was in the nets with other players when Sourav went in to bat, but the new ball had either just been taken or was imminent when I saw Sourav walking from the field holding his right arm. I assumed he had been hit and made my way to the players' area where Sourav was receiving treatment from the team physiotherapist, John Gloster.

When I enquired as to what had happened Sourav said he had felt a click in his elbow as he played a ball through the leg side and that he thought he should have it investigated. Sourav had complained of pain to his elbow at various stages of the one-day series, but he had resisted having any comprehensive investigation done and, from my observation, had been spasmodic in his treatment habits, often not using ice-packs for the arm that had been prepared for him by John Gloster. I suggested, as had John Gloster, that we get some further tests done immediately. Sourav rejected these suggestions and said he would be 'fine'. When I queried what he meant by 'fine' he said he would be fit for the Test match. I then queried why then was it necessary to be off the field now. He said that he was just taking 'precautions'.


Cont... in next post

[baljeet2n]

Contd fron earlier post


Rather than make a scene with other players and officials in the vicinity I decided to leave the matter and observe what Sourav would do from that point on. After the loss of Kaif, Yuvraj and Karthik to the new ball, Sourav returned to the crease with the ball now around 20 overs old. He struggled for runs against a modest attack and eventually threw his wicket away trying to hit one of the spinners over the leg side.

The next day I enquired with a number of the players as to what they had thought of Sourav's retirement. The universal response was that it was 'just Sourav' as they recounted a list of times when Sourav had suffered from mystery injuries that usually disappeared as quickly as they had come. This disturbed me because it confirmed for me that he was in a fragile state of mind and it was affecting the mental state of other members of the squad.

When we arrived in Bulawayo I decided I needed to ask Sourav if he had over-played the injury to avoid the danger period of the new ball as it had appeared to me and others within the touring party that he had protected himself at the expense of others. He denied the suggestion and asked why he would do that against such a modest attack. I said that he was the only one who could answer that question.

I was so concerned about the affect that Sourav's actions were having on the team that I decided I could not wait until selection meeting that evening to inform him that I had serious doubts about picking him for the first Test.

I explained that, in my view, I felt we had to pick Kaif and Yuvraj following their good form in the one-day series and that Sehwag, Gambhir, Laxman and Dravid had to play. He said that his record was better than Kaif and Yuvraj and that they had not proved themselves in Test cricket. I countered with the argument that they had to be given a chance to prove themselves on a consistent basis or we would never know. I also said that their form demanded that they be selected now.

Sourav asked me whether I thought he should be captain of the team. I said that I had serious doubts that he was in the right frame of mind to do it. He asked me if I thought he should step down. I said that it was not my decision to make, that only he could make that decision, but if he did make that decision he had to do it in the right manner or it would have even more detrimental effects than if he didn't stand down. I said that now was not the time to make the decision but that we should discuss it at the selection meeting to be held later in the day.

Sourav then said that if I didn't want him to be captain that he would inform Rahul Dravid that was going to stand down. I reiterated that it was not my decision to make but he should give it due consideration under the circumstances but not to do it hastily. At that point Sourav went to Rahul and the two of them conferred briefly and then Sourav left the field and entered the dressing room. At that stage I joined the start of the training session.

A short time later Mr Chowdhary came on to the field and informed me that Sourav had told him that I did not want him as captain and that Sourav wanted to leave Zimbabwe immediately if he wasn't playing. I then joined Mr Chowdhary and Rahul Dravid in the dressing room where we agreed that this was not the outcome that any of us wanted and that the ramifications would not be in the best interests of the team.

We then spent some time with Sourav and eventually convinced him that he should stay on as captain for the two Tests and then consider his future. In my view it was not an ideal solution but it was better than the alternative of him leaving on a bad note. I believe he has earned the right to leave in a fitting manner. We all agreed that this was a matter that should stay between us and should not, under any circumstances, be discussed with the media.

The matter remained quiet until the press conference after the game when a journalist asked Sourav if he had been asked to step down before the Test. Sourav replied that he had but he did not want to elaborate and make an issue of it. I was then called to the press conference where I was asked if I knew anything of Sourav being asked to step down before the game. I replied that a number of issues had been raised regarding selection but as they were selection matters I did not wish to make any further comment.

Apart from a brief interview on ESPN before which I emphasized that I did not wish to discuss the issue because it was a selection matter I have resisted all other media approaches on the matter.

Since then various reports have surfaced that I had threatened to resign. I do not know where that rumour has come from because I have spoken to no one in regard to this because I have no intention of resigning. I assume that some sections of the media, being starved of information, have made up their own stories.

At the completion of the Test match I was approached by VVS Laxman with a complaint that Sourav had approached him on the eve of the Test saying that I had told Sourav that I did not want Laxman in the team for Test matches. I denied that I had made such a remark to Sourav, or anybody else for that matter, as, on the contrary, I saw Laxman as an integral part of the team. He asked how Sourav could have said what he did. I said that the only way we could go to the bottom of the matter was to speak to Sourav and have him repeat the allegation in front of me.

I arranged for a meeting with the two of them that afternoon. The meeting took place just after 6pm in my room at the Rainbow Hotel in Bulawayo. I told Sourav that Laxman had come to me complaining that Sourav had made some comments to Laxman prior to the Test. I asked Sourav if he would care to repeat the comment in my presence. Sourav then rambled on about how I had told him that I did not see a place for Laxman in one-day cricket, something that I had discussed with Sourav and the selection panel and about which I had spoken to Laxman at the end of the Sri Lankan tour.

Sourav mentioned nothing about the alleged conversation regarding Laxman and Test cricket even when I pushed him on it later in the discussion. As we had to leave for a team function we ended the conversation without Sourav adequately explaining his comments to Laxman.

Again, this is not an isolated incident because I have had other players come to me regarding comments that Sourav had made to them that purports to be comments from me to Sourav about the particular player. In each case the comments that Sourav has passed on to the individual are figments of Sourav's imagination. One can only assume that he does it to unnerve the individual who, in each case, has been a middle order batsman.

Sourav has missed the point of my discussions with him on this matter. It has less to do with his form than it does with his attitude toward the team. Everything he does is designed to maximise his chance of success and is usually detrimental to someone else's chances.

Despite meeting with him in Mumbai after his appointment as captain and speaking with him about these matters and his reluctance to do the preparation and training that is expected of everyone else in the squad he continues to set a bad example.

Greg King's training reports continue to show Sourav as the person who does the least fitness and training work based on the criterion that has been developed by the support staff to monitor the work load of all the players.

We have also developed parameters of batting, bowling, fielding and captaincy that we believe embodies the 'Commitment to Excellence' theme that I espoused at my interview and Sourav falls well below the acceptable level in all areas. I will be pleased to present this documentation when I meet with the special committee in Mumbai later this month.

I can assure you sir that all my actions in this matter, and all others since my appointment, have been with the aim of improving the team performance toward developing a team that will represent India with distinctions in Test match and one-day cricket.

As I said to you during our meeting in Colombo, I have serious reservations about the attitude of some players and about Sourav and his ability to take this team to a new high, and none of the things he has done since his reappointment has caused me to change my view. In fact, it has only served to confirm that it is time for him to move on and let someone else build their team toward the 2007 World Cup.

This team has been made to be fearful and distrusting by the rumour mongering and deceit that is Sourav's modus operandi of divide and rule. Certain players have been treated with favour, all of them bowlers, while others have been shunted up and down the order or left out of the team to suit Sourav's whims.

John Wright obviously allowed this to go on to the detriment of the team. I am not prepared to sit back and allow this to continue or we will get the same results we have been seeing for some time now.

It is time that all players were treated with fairness and equity and that good behaviours and attitudes are rewarded at the selection table rather than punished.

I can assure you of my very best intentions.

Yours sincerely,

Greg Chappell

[Navin]

Hi Baljeet,

Nice work posting the original email of Chappel here. Makes interesting reading. Thanks.

[Pramod]

Hi all,

If we read the complete transcript of chappel's mail...

Its total politics played by ganguly..
Honestly speaking he shud quit...

He has not respect towards country.. he beleives he is the prince so he can do anything...

I agree with navin, Dravid shud have been the captain..

But that's history

[baljeet2n]

Hi all,

If we read the complete transcript of chappel's mail...

Its total politics played by ganguly..
Honestly speaking he shud quit...

He has not respect towards country.. he beleives he is the prince so he can do anything...

I agree with navin, Dravid shud have been the captain..

But that's history


Ya I agree with you Pramod..........But the problem is not just Ganguly-there is politics in the whole system. Most of the players dont play for the country............they play for themselves..........thats why they have great individual performances rather than great team performances. :rolleyes:

[divya]

Hi All

I think that passing judgments without hearing the other side of the story is not right. So, i am posting a few news reports which cover ganguly's categorical responses to each of chappell's allegations. The first one is right below.


Captain’s Knock
PRADEEP Magazine
Mumbai, September 27, 2005

AFTER ALL the heat raised by the leak of Greg Chappell’s email to the media and a feeling throughout the country that Sourav Ganguly had finally been exposed, Tuesday here was a kind of anti-climax, because the second round of this ongoing battle definitely went to the Indian skipper.

BCCI president Ranbir Mahendra said one of the main provable accusations in Chappell’s email — that Ganguly faked injury — was “far from the truth”.

The reasons for this tacit backing of Ganguly probably lie in his response to Chappell’s mail — a sensational 10-page document that refutes the coach’s accusations point by point and gives shocking insights into his high-handed ways.

The most scandalous, according to BCCI sources, was the fact that at the practice game in Mutare, Chappell went out and tossed with the opposition captain without Ganguly or anyone

else’s knowledge — while the players were knocking at nets. Ganguly, while saying he felt terribly insulted, added that he didn’t make an issue of it, as it would have created major problems in the dressing room.

Then there is the accusation that he was scared of facing fast bowling and faking his elbow injury in Mutare.

Ganguly, say board sources, called this a complete lie. He said on that occasion Dravid was batting overnight on 100 and when they later met in the lift at the hotel, he asked Dravid if he could go in to bat in the morning as he wanted the practice.

Dravid agreed and Ganguly, apparently, has asked why — if he were scared — would he go out when the new ball was due.

The captain said he and Laxman faced four-five overs against the new ball before he felt a click in his elbow and team physiotherapist John Gloster came out and administered painkilling injections. But he couldn’t continue.

Gloster confirmed this — if Mahendra’s statement is anything to go by. BCCI sources say Ganguly mentioned that even while he has been accused of going to the media, Chappell himself has been leaking information to selected journalists.

He mentioned that private discussions were known to the media almost verbatim and he (Ganguly) had even been shown emails that Chappell had sent to journalists — and that those media personnel were willing to show the messages to the board.

Truce it is for now, but the BCCI’s review committee has obviously bought only a fragile peace. It will be interesting to see how Chappell, who had taken the high moral ground, will react to this. Watch this space.

[Pramod]

Freddie, in his autobiography spoke about his lancashire teammate Ganguly "Ganguly just didn't work out at all," he wrote. "You can accept a player not playing well, because we all have our ups and downs in our career, but he just didn't want to get involved."He wasn't interested in the other players and it became a situation where it was 10 players and Ganguly in the team. He turned up as if he was royalty - it was like having Prince Charles on your side. There were rumours he was asking people to carry his coffin for him, although he never asked me.

"We went out to a little curry house he had found and saw the umpire Venkatraghavan sitting over the other side of the room. Straight away he got up and went over to talk to him for 20 minutes while I sat like a spare part eating my curry on my own. We say hello to each other now and we are pleasant to each other, but it doesn't go any further than that. I don't dislike the bloke, but it's a struggle with him."

This proves ganguly is the culprit and not chappel. The committee has to believe the coach and not ganguly. This book was released b4 the ganguly-chappel controversy. Then why the hell this members have not taken any action against ganguly.

[baljeet2n]

Hi Divya and Pramod!

I think its just difference of opinions! Waise we all know the part wat media has shown. Reality....only they know. As for who is guilty....dudh ka dhula to dono mein se koi bhi nahi hai!!! :D Phir bhi I think Ganguly ki galti zyada thi

[arvind kumar saran]

Hi Folks,

In my opinion, Ganguly has to sure improve his batting and fielding. Chappel is right on the point and the 'row' between them must end now and play in right spirit of the game.

I think the Indian coaches are the best..Have we sincerely tried anyone of them.... :confused:

[Pramod]

HI AKS,

The Indian coaches are best but not true for the current indian team captain Ganguly.

If an Indian coach is appointed then it will be a open fight between the captain Ganguly and the coach.

It is ganguly who preferred for an foreign coach. so he knows the reasons behind his ideology.